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19 NOVEMBER 2004

Uh, Bill?  Think it's time to throw in the towel?

Friday, November 19, 2004 Rochester, NY
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Mayor calls saving ferry urgent

Europeans could get ship and taxpayers' $15.3 million with it.
What's a public authority?
Public authorities in New York perform government functions but act autonomously. They raise their own revenue, pay their own bills and have the power to borrow money and condemn property.
Boosters claim public authorities are more nimble and focused, thus more efficient. But critics counter that authorities are less accountable to the public and more vulnerable to political influence than other government agencies.
Rick Armon
Staff writer

(November 19, 2004) — The city must save Rochester's high-speed ferry service before the ship is sold elsewhere and sails away for good, taking a boatload of taxpayer money with it, Mayor William A. Johnson Jr. says.

The mayor officially announced his plan Thursday to turn the cash-strapped private ferry service into a publicly run operation. The proposal involves creating a public authority — the Rochester Port and Ferry Authority — that would sell government-backed bonds to buy, own and run the ferry.

The initial cost to purchase the ship, pay off previous debts and get the service running again is estimated at $40 million.

"We must act soon," Johnson said. "Without fast action, this service could be lost to this community."

The senior lenders who hold the rights to the ferry "already have potential buyers in Europe and other places," he said. If it's sold, the city and state, which have spent $1.3 million and $14 million, respectively, on the ferry itself could lose their investment.

In all, taxpayers have invested about $50 million in the ship, ferry terminal and infrastructure at the port, Johnson said.

The mayor said the city's business plan would be made available to the public today, and he welcomed scrutiny. He noted that the purchase would be funded through bonds and not tax money.

Johnson also pledged that the ferry would not need any future public subsidies — a promise reminiscent of former Monroe County Executive Bob King's pledge in 1993 that Frontier Field would be self-supporting. Local taxpayers are now supplementing the sports facility with $1.68 million a year.

The mayor is meeting with City Council and state lawmakers to sell his proposal. Council and the state Legislature must approve the formation of an authority. Lawmakers say they want to scrutinize the business plan.

The big question is whether there is enough political and public support for the city proposal. A majority of respondents to a recent Democrat and Chronicle poll said they want to see the ferry become a permanent link between Rochester and Toronto, but few people wanted more public money used to keep it going.

"As we move forward, the mayor must make a case that his alternative is the only alternative," said state Sen. Michael Nozzolio, R-Fayette, Seneca County. He also said he wanted to hear public input.

Assemblyman Joseph Morelle, D-Irondequoit, said he's not sure the city has explored all of its options.

"My belief has always been that this should be a private-sector venture and that the notion that it would be a publicly run operation is just contrary to my general philosophy," he said.

Monroe County Executive Maggie Brooks said the mayor's plan should be explored and the community needs "to do what we can to preserve the ferry in Rochester." But the $40 million "would be a big price" without assurances that ferry revenue could cover the costs, she said.

The $42.5 million Spirit of Ontario — a massive vessel that can carry up to 774 passengers and 238 cars — made its last voyage between Rochester and Toronto on Sept. 7 after less than three months in operation. The private ferry company, Canadian American Transportation Systems, said it was bleeding money and had to shut down.

City officials already have made an offer to CATS to buy the ship, which sits idle in the Genesee River. That offer would pay off some debts, "but is not a bailout of CATS," said Linda Kingsley, city corporation counsel. While CATS owns the ship now, the senior lenders could take possession of it through legal means, she said. The city hopes the matter will be settled amicably and not in the court system, she added.

CATS officials could not be reached for comment Thursday.

The mayor expects criticism over his proposal, but he pleaded for community support and unity to help return the ferry to service. At one point during his news conference, Johnson said he was "sick and tired" of reading accounts about how Rochester is a dying city and can't get anything done.   (ed.  Oh, my big mistake Bill.  You're right... Rochester ISN'T a dying city and it CAN get something done.  It's just that it has all the appearances of a dying city and from one tanking initiative after another, certainly hasn't proven that it can get things done.)

Johnson said it's vital to keep the ferry here because it sets Rochester apart from other midsize U.S. cities and links the community with Toronto.   (ed.  MMMM.  OK.  That sure sounds worth driving an entire community deeper into the financial dumper.)

Issuing government bonds for projects is nothing new, Johnson said, citing the Public Safety Building, Frontier Field and the Blue Cross Arena at the Community War Memorial.

But the city is already facing skepticism.

City resident Ivan Ramos, 45, picketed outside City Hall Thursday morning with a sign saying: "For Sale: $40 million sinking ship. Bill Johnson wants to buy it with your money!"

He supports the ferry service but wants it to be run privately. If it can't be, "then it should go away," he said.

Mark Zupan, dean of the University of Rochester's William E. Simon Graduate School of Business Administration, said the city business plan must be scrutinized, especially considering that the private sector apparently is unwilling to step forward and take over the venture.

When the government runs an operation, there tends to be a lack of innovation and attention to minimizing costs, he said.

Amit Batabyal, an economics professor at Rochester Institute of Technology, said the city should immediately commission a cost-benefit analysis to prove that it will be "revenue neutral" and not require annual subsidies from already "over-taxed and over-committed citizens."   (ed.  Good IDEA!!  Waste MORE money to buy a consultant's slick PowerPoint presentation detailing how buying the ferry would be a waste of money.  "Send that on over to the Department of Redundancy Department".)

"I'm slightly troubled by the city having to buy the fast ferry without what would appear any private support," he said.

Others are questioning why the city wouldn't seek help from the Rochester-Genesee Regional Transportation Authority, an already established state authority. The mayor has said that RGRTA has too much on its plate since it is overseeing the proposed Renaissance Square downtown.

RARMON@DemocratandChronicle.com

Includes reporting by staff writers Gary Craig and Joseph Spector.

Ohhh NOOOOO!!!  Ya mean all our tax dollars are going to be flushed down the drain to help the next buyers of the ferry??  Sort of like buying a new car then selling it for a fraction of its value because one can't make the car payments???  Ya mean like eating the cost of a new ferry so the next owner can have a virtually new vessel at a bargain-basement price?

'Zat whatcha mean?  And Lord Have Mercy... not only would local tax dollars be subsidizing the next owners' purchase... there's a chance that  Good 'Ol American Greenbacks would be shipped by the tens of millions to a <<gasp>> EUROPEAN country!!!  Ohhh NOOOOO!!!

Why... that... that would make us look like quite the fools!!  The buyers would be laughing at the stupidity of the situation and then Rochester's Fast Fiasco would be TRULY international news.   How mortifying.

[News]
Friday   November 19, 2004
[Mayor Pitches Plan To Lawmakers]
 

Mayor Pitches Plan To Lawmakers

by Seth Voorhees and Lisa Carino

Published Nov 19, 2004

Rochester's mayor met with representatives locally, from the state assembly, and the state senate. The goal is to convince them about his plans for the city to buying the struggling Fast Ferry. The mayor unveiled those plans for the city to purchase the Spirit of Ontario on Thursday.

The plan calls for the creation of a ferry and port authority, which would sell about $40 million worth of bonds to buy and operate the vessel. That is where the state legislature would come in. State lawmakers would have to approve the set-up of an authority. At the two-hour meeting at City Hall, Mayor Johnson outlined his business plan for the ferry to state law makers. Lawmakers leaving the meeting all expressed their viewpoints, "I think this community was loud and clear about whether or not they wanted that ferry and the answer was yes. (ed. Of course, you have something other than conjecture and opinion to back that statement up, don't you?) Whether or not we should go for it based on the resources we have to put in remains to be seen, but I would give the mayor an opportunity to at least present his story," said State Assemblyman David Gantt.

State Senator Joe Robach had a different perspective of the situation, "One thing that came out of this meeting is there does seem to be a push from the primary lenders ethic that they want to get their money back. So we are going to have to look at expedited window as to what we can do to try and salvage this." (ed. And salvage may be the only option to do that)

State Senator Jim Alesi expressed concern for taxpayers, “We all want to see the ferry back in action, but the operating costs and the possibility down the road that even if we do create an authority that sells bonds to do the initial costs, the operating costs could come back to haunt the taxpayers and that's my main concern."

Still, Mayor Johnson feels that the city can make The Breeze a viable venture, "There’s a general aversion to taking a private sector business and converting it into the public sector, but I think when people understand that this is really the only viable option, I hope that in the final analysis, they'll support it," said Mayor Johnson.

The big concern seems to be that taxpayers not be stuck with any bill as far as the city’s plan to purchase the Fast Ferry. From here on out, state law makers will take some time to digest the plan before they make their final decision. The mayor has assured the state lawmakers at this meeting that the city plan does not include something that would put any more burdens on taxpayers.

Strange.  I just looked in the mirror and didn't see the word 'Idiot' tattooed across my forehead.

The local and/or State government sell bonds to investors who fork over cash with the assurances by the local and/or State government that they - the investors - will get their money back with interest.  How does the local and/or State government plan on getting the cash to do that?  From the proceeds of a robust ferry operation.... or so the theory goes.

The local and/or State government guarantees the investor won't be left with a very nifty-looking, but worthless certificate because who has more access to a fat bank account than government?  That's a pretty safe investment as far as investments go.... not the most lucrative mind you, but fairly safe.

What happens if the anticipated influx of revenue from the ferry never materializes?  Are the bonds worthless?  Nope... remember, the local and/or State government guaranteed them and the investor gets paid according to the agreement.

So where does the local and/or State government come up with the cash to repay the bonds? 

Just guess. 

It comes out of the government's piggy bank which is continuously being kept well stocked from the proceeds of taxes from... you guessed it... the taxpayer.

"The mayor has assured the state lawmakers at this meeting that the city plan does not include something that would put any more burdens on taxpayers."

Now for the Question of the Day: "Just how many brain-dead Rochester area ferry supporters are running around tonight babbling that Mayor Bill's Plan won't cost the taxpayer a dime?"   Please keep in mind we're talking about a community which struts around with pride in the ability to mindlessly parrot back sound bites and media blurbs with all the profound conviction of 'I saw it on TV/read it in the paper, so it must be true'. 

Friday, November 19, 2004 Rochester, NY
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City releases 30-page ferry business plan
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  • Ferry business plan
  • Rick Armon
    Staff writer

    (November 19, 2004) — City officials today released their business plan to buy Rochester's private high-speed ferry service and turn it into a publicly run operation.

    The 30-page proposal — made available to the public on the city's Web site: www.cityofrochester.gov — details how the ferry would be purchased and the costs involved to operate it.

    The city plan calls for the creation of a public authority — the Rochester Port and Ferry Authority — that would issue $40 million in government-backed bonds to buy the massive vessel and oversee the business.

    "It's better to try this way than to hope and pray that someone comes along with a solution," said Mayor William A. Johnson Jr., who believes a public takeover of the private ferry is the only way to save the popular service.  (ed.   Doesn't look like it was 'popular' enough.  And if this is the 'only' way to save the ferry, I'd say this clearly falls under the category of 'Desperate Last Ditch Effort'.)

    He also emphasized that no taxpayer money would be used to buy the ship. Instead, the authority would raise the necessary cash through the bond sale, although taxpayers would be liable if the service foundered again.   (ed.   Oh. So the taxpayer WILL end up footing the bill after all.)

    The $42.5 million Spirit of Ontario — a massive vessel that can carry up to 774 passengers and 238 cars — made its last voyage between Rochester and Toronto on Sept. 7 after less than three months in operation. CATS said it was bleeding money and had to shut down. U.S. taxpayers have invested about $50 million in the ferry project — in the ship itself, in the ferry terminal constructed at the Port of Rochester and in the surrounding infrastructure.

    Johnson said city officials learned from mistakes made by CATS and built its business plan on conservative assumptions. For example, the plan estimates that 385,705 passengers — or about 416 per trip — would ride the ship annually. That compares with CATS' estimate that 450,000 riders were needed before the operation would break even.

    The operating revenue in the first year would total $19.5 million. Expenses in the first year would be $20.3 million — mainly driven by debt payments. The authority also would have a $4 million reserve fund available in the first year.

    Other key elements of the plan:

    The average income per passenger fare was set at $30.31. Specific fares, which may include discounts during the non-peak season, will be developed later. CATS charged $28 per adult walk-on passenger, but also tacked on surcharges that totaled $4 for northbound passengers and $3 for southbound riders.

    The ferry would carry 59,200 cars annually or about 64 per crossing. The average income per car would be $41. CATS charged $40 per car.

    About 5,480 trucks or buses would use the ferry in the first year or about six per trip. The vessel can hold only 10 trucks or buses at onetime. The average truck or bus fare would be $260.

    Offering two daily roundtrips between mid April and mid October, and only one roundtrip four days a week during the off-season months.

    RARMON@DemocratandChronicle.com

    See what I mean?  Mayor Bill's plan will stick the taxpayer with the tab whether they agree or not.  'If' the ferry founders again?  Please.  These leaders take us for complete douche bags and anybody who believes otherwise has no business being allowed to vote.

    Nope.  Ain't gonna give up on this one.  Exemplary stupidity requires extraordinary vigilance, so here we go again:

         
      "There aren't enough passengers to keep the Ferry profitable over the long term".  
         

    That's the crux of the situation.  That's the most relevant aspect which should be the primary guiding feature in any  discussion concerning the fate of the ferry.  From the first nascent inspiration to the final voyage out of the Port of Rochester, if there aren't sufficient customers to support paying the business costs it doesn't matter HOW much money is invested.  When operating costs outpace income, the result is a deficit situation.  Regardless of WHOEVER owns, operates or manages the business.   It's just that simple.



    Rochester Port and Ferry Authority

    A Plan of Business


    The following document is a detailed business plan for the future operations of a new public authority to be created. It is anticipated that this organization will be known as the Rochester Port and Ferry Authority.

    This Plan of Business includes financial and operating data based on a combination of known and projected conditions. Every effort has been made to list and explain the key assumptions utilized.

    This Plan of Business does not represent an offer to provide service under the conditions stated. Final conditions of service will be determined by the Rochester Port and Ferry Authority when it is established.

    Click HERE to view the plan in Adobe Acrobat Format.

    Public comment on this Plan of Business is invited, and may be sent to:

      City of Rochester
      Office of the Commissioner of Environmental Services
      City Hall - Room 300B
      30 Church Street
      Rochester, New York 14614



    November 18, 2004 News Conference Announcing the City's Proposal to buy the Fast Ferry

    • Part 1 (2.1 megabyte audio .mp3 file)
    • Part 2 (4 megabyte audio .mp3 file)

    Whattya think?  Should I send a public comment to City Hall?  Think the Powers That Be would suddenly slap their foreheads, blurt out "Damn, you were right all along!" and rush to close out this ferry mess once and for all?

    No?  Me neither.

    So how is the taxpayer supposed to stop the political machine from charging headfirst into yet another orgy of tossing away tens of millions of dollars which they neither asked for nor authorized?

    Lawmakers go ahead and allow the creation of a Port Authority and issuing bonds is given a nod.  The ferry fires the engines and shoves off amid high school marching bands, bursts of confetti and ebullient locals dancing in the streets.  Then - after a few weeks of struggling - the unthinkable happens.

    Let's assume... 'pretend' if you will... that there's the eensiest, tiniest, most improbable chance that maybe... possibly... I might be right and the ferry really won't be able to make a go of it... ever.  (I know that's a real stretch, but I'll let my record speak for itself.)  

    Where's the money to repay the bond holders going to come from?  If I, the taxpayer, will be expected to pick up the tab... I at least want to be able to have a say in what's been ordered.  And I never asked to set up a fast ferry service.  CATS did.  Let THEM pay the bill as it's THEIR problem, not mine.

    GLOBEANDMAIL.COM
     
    TODAY'S PAPER
    National
    Rochester mayor throws ferry a lifeline
    Bond issue would provide financing for U.S. city to take over failed venture

    By JAMES RUSK
    Friday, November 19, 2004 - Page A16
    Rochester Mayor William Johnson is trying to relaunch the Rochester-Toronto ferry as a public venture.

    Mr. Johnson unveiled a proposal yesterday to create a city-owned public authority, the Rochester Port and Ferry Authority, that would take over the ferry's operations after raising the money needed to refinance it by selling bonds.

    In an interview, the mayor said that he has been discussing the plan for the last several weeks with Rochester councillors, state legislators, the governor of New York, and officials in Toronto, including Mayor David Miller and the Toronto Port Authority.

    "We got enough of a signal that, without all the fine details that we still were putting together, they said: 'This is something to be pursued,' " Mr. Johnson said.

    The ferry, the Spirit of Ontario, was closed down abruptly on Sept. 7, after about 80 days of operation and 140,000 passengers, when its private backers ran out of money.

    Mr. Johnson said the original operators have been unable to come up with the financing to get the ferry back in business next spring.

    "We're here because they tried first to find new sources of capital. . . . They didn't have a lot of luck with that, and the private capital that did materialize . . . all had huge contingencies," the mayor said. (ed. Sheesh... can you imagine THAT?  Private investors are so leery about an investment, they want to make sure they won't lose money.  What's this crazy mixed-up world coming to?)

    He said that even though he proposes to turn the venture over to a public authority, taxpayer support would not be needed to keep the ferry going under the business plan that he has developed.

    "Our idea was to look at this and see if this ferry venture was self-sufficient," he said.

    In his view, the ferry service would be self-sufficient, with lower costs. Because it would be financed by long-term bonds, debt service charges would be lower than those faced by a private operator, and there would be no need to make a profit.

    The mayor said he hopes the plan will win the support of Rochester Council in the next couple of months, and that the state legislature, whose approval is required for the creation of a new agency, will give the plan its blessing by some time in February.

    If that timetable is met, he thinks that the new agency could get its bonds to market in time for the ferry to resume service next April.

    More googling:

    Given how much attention the ferry is getting in Rochester, and how little in Toronto, I'd say it's a fair guess that this is more for Rochester's benefit than ours. But I'd still take it just for fun. I mean, I did grow up watching Rochester local news. I need to see where all those shootings and chemical spills took place...

    Posted by: Alasdair at May 5, 2004 01:54 PM

    http://madhava.com/egotism/archive/002156.html

    High praise indeed.  See?  Rochester already has a special caché.  "Sumbuddy whip us up a postcard.."

    November 20, 2004 1:21 AM
    Ferry's New Plan At-A-Glance 

    Mike Doria (Rochester, NY) 11/18/04 - Service is expected to run year around with the new plan.

    There will be two round trips a day in April and October. During the colder months though, one trip a day is planned with service running just four days a week.

    The ferry would be docked two weeks out of the year for maintenance. 

    Average passenger fare would be about $30, the average car fare: $41. Also, 59,000 cars a year would be needed on board for the plan to work. Trucks and buses would cost about $260.

    Assemblyman David Gantt (D) said, “Most of you know I’ve always had an interest in this public project be it Frontier Field, be it PAETEC Park, or whatever…the public has a right to know…we have a responsibility to protect taxpayers.. and have a responsibility to work with the mayor and city council here.”

    The mayor is meeting with state representatives and lawmakers reviewing the plan. 

    Rochester City Council members must approve the plan, and then if they do… state lawmakers must create a Port Authority to get the whole project underway.

    The city is expected to lose some money the first year in the deal, but in the business plan is a $4 million contingency deal, sort of a “tough times fund” and city officials say the city can use money from that to cover the debt it is expected incur the first year.

    People get the government they deserve and if 85.6% of respondents feel the City of Rochester should buy the ferry, anybody want to wager how many will feel the same way after their taxes rise to cover the losses?

    Of course, as with any rudimentary poll, there are no indications of the number of respondents.  Are the results the consensus of 200 people?  2,000?  200,000?  It's pretty meaningless to derive any serious gauge of public sentiment if there's no stated number of replies.  And to be fair, most of these media polls are admittedly 'unscientific'.

    Still, the yokels jump on any blurb on the tube, hang on with a death grip and suddenly an informal poll becomes de facto public policy.  Thus, the Parrot Set waddles around with "Over 85% of the Rochester area want to save the ferry".  Huh?  Bit of an over-reaching leap in judgment, wouldn't you say?

    Tell me what I want to hear and you're a genius.  Tell me what I don't want to hear and you're a blathering idiot.  The Age of Enlightenment is alive and well in the Rochester community.

    November 20, 2004 1:43 AM
    Buy The Ferry? How?

    (Rochester, NY) 11/18/04 - Rochester's plan to buy the fast ferry hinges on the creation of a public authority that would sell government-backed bonds to purchase, own, and run the ferry. 

    Rochester Mayor Bill Johnson said the ferry didn't work as a private operation, but can succeed as a public-run venture. However, that can't happen without public support, i.e. people riding the ferry again.

    When Ivan Ramos heard the city was buying the ferry, he made a sign: FOR SALE $40-MILLION SINKING SHIP—Bill Johnson wants to buy it with your money!”

    Then he held his own protest outside hall calling, “Anybody want to buy a ferry?”

    He worries that if the city buys the ferry it will cost taxpayers money.

    “The ferry is a great idea,” Ramos said, “and if a business person can make it work, I’m all for it. But, if a business person can’t make it work, what makes us think city government can make it work?”

    The mayor said taxpayers should not be worried. He said a public ferry operation won’t involve any more of the public's money. 

    A public-run ferry operation means there are no shareholders to be paid and no profit has to be made. So they won't need as much revenue from the ferry as CATS did.

    However, buying the ship would mean assuming all CATS' debts, which includes repaying creditors and providing refunds to customers who bought tickets they never got a chance to use.

    Also, it won't happen without approval from state lawmakers. The state must create a port authority. There are three ways this could work.

    1. The city could hire a private company to run the ferry under control of the port authority.

    2. A not-for-profit group could run the operation under port authority control. 

    3. The Rochester port/ferry authority could directly run the ferry operation.

    State lawmakers are cautious about giving approval to set up a port authority, saying it can be risky.  They want ferry service to resume but worry about the government taking on more debt to save the ship.

    NYS Senator Jim Alesi (R) said, “ "We have to move cautiously because creating an authority that is an autonomous entity…to go out and create debt to help finance this thing could put taxpayers in jeopardy."
     
    NYS Senator Joe Robach (R) said, “I think the stage we're at now is… to hear what that proposal is. I’m sure there’ll be some time for public input…and see where we go from there."

    NYS assemblyman Joe Morelle (D) said, "My fear is we're moving too precipitously for a public takeover.”

    State lawmakers will meet with Johnson on Friday afternoon at City Hall to see the business plan.


    City Council Reacts
    The Rochester City council has already given preliminary approval to buy the ferry, and will vote on the plan next week. 

    Four city council members and other leaders met with the mayor in executive session. One council member, Ben Douglas, said he supports the idea because the plan was put together using conservative numbers based on CATS' business plan and leaves room for the unexpected.

    "That gave a certain comfort level that says there is enough caution in this plan with enough good results on the bottom line to support it," he said.

    But some members are still unsure.

    Councilman Wade Norwood (D) said, "I am very concerned that we've got a lot of money in this big decision, and I take very seriously the determination of whether we put in more."

    CATS Employees React
    Employees like CATS technical advisor Bob Mansfield hope it will mean they will get their jobs back.

    Mansfield said, “Whoever the new owner is going to be would be stupid not to take on the people that have experience…they know how to do it.”

    CATS President Cornel Martin reacted to the mayor’s plan saying, “I’ll be frank. One of the things we’re concerned about is that the plan does address all the needs of all the …creditors and…customers…the people who purchased tickets. Those are all the things we want to make sure the plan addresses.”
    Martin also hopes to see the mayor’s plan on Friday. Apparently, he still believes CATS had a plan that would work and would like the lenders to take another look at that plan.

    Other Ferries
    The idea of a ferry as part of public transportation is not new.

    The state of Washington runs ferry service from Seattle to the outer islands of Alaska. It’s called the Alaska Marine Highway.

    The state of Maine launched a subsidized ferry service in 1959. The Maine Port Authority runs six ferries. A spokesperson there said since it is considered public transportation, there's no need to turn profits. Ticket prices are kept low and the service is more stable.

    Rhode Island also has a Port Authority. Their ferry is popular but the federal grant that funded its launch in 2004 is about to run out.

    Government control won't prevent mishaps either.

    Like Rochester’s ferry, Rhode Island’s ferry has had its share of accidents, including hitting a steel barrier two years ago.

    A spokesperson on the board of Maine’s port authority said the ferry still needs a viable business plan to work--even under government control.

    " The state must create a port authority. There are three ways this could work.

    1. The city could hire a private company to run the ferry under control of the port authority.

    2. A not-for-profit group could run the operation under port authority control. 

    3. The Rochester port/ferry authority could directly run the ferry operation.
    "

    #1 - No.  Say it ain't so.  Tell me the City of Rochester and Monroe County have learned their lesson about 'contracting out' through the numerous companies which have arrived, then left with gigantic deficits from running the Blue Cross Arena and the High Falls extravaganza.  There's been at least two different outside companies which have tried - and failed - to make either the BC Arena or High Falls a success.  'Hiring a private company' to run the ferry?  You mean as in 'CATS Junior'?

    #2 - Some group is going to operate without profit, take the flak for some donkey of an idea and make scads of money for the City of Rochester?   Why sure... it COULD happen!!  (Oh... and for you non-Rochester are residents: to my knowledge, the public water supply does NOT contain mass quantities of LSD.)

    #3 - A'yup.  We got a winner here!  Totally clueless locals who know diddly about running a high-speed ferry service would miraculously turn the operation around and pack the boat on every run.... so much so, that tens of millions of dollars in bonds are repaid, the tourists are streaming down from Toronto and the commercial trucking firms are yammering about the insufficient number of runs back and forth across the Lake.  (Now you non-residents have me thinking.  Maybe there's only trace amounts of LSD in the water.)

    "The state of Washington runs ferry service from Seattle to the outer islands of Alaska. It’s called the Alaska Marine Highway."

    There's something known as an 'Atlas' and it's got colourful pitchures and ever'thin.  And if you look REAL careful-like, you can see it would be one HELLUVA bridge between Seattle and outer islands of Alaska.  And comparing a totally optional and redundant means of crossing a Great Lake with the only means of passenger transportation (with the exception of air transit) across a world ocean is a nice try, but totally irrelevant and meaningless.  That's called 'Common Sense'.  Local 'leaders' might wish to try it out sometime.

    "The state of Maine launched a subsidized ferry service in 1959. The Maine Port Authority runs six ferries. A spokesperson there said since it is considered public transportation, there's no need to turn profits. Ticket prices are kept low and the service is more stable."

    The City of Rochester can't even run decent BUS service; how're we supposed to believe it'll fare any better with a highly specialized ferry service?  And I was completely unaware the City of Rochester had the resources of the entire state of Maine... GEEZ... no WONDER it's considering buying a ferry!  If one is a real boon to the area, think what TWO would mean!! 

    Maine State Ferry Service

     

    From Rockland:

    To: Vinalhaven
    To: North Haven
    To:
    Matinicus Island

    From Lincolnville

    To: Islesboro

    From Bass Harbor

    To: Swans Island
    To: Frenchboro


     

    Rates & Information

     

     

    http://www.state.me.us/mdot/opt/ferry/maine-ferry-service.php

    Why...what's THIS?  Six ferries going from the mainland to off-shore islands and back?  THAT doesn't sound like same as a pricy and admittedly optional service for drivers too lazy to drive around a lake, now does it?

    Once again, the Well-It-Works-For-Them-So-It'll-Work-For-Us mentality of locals 'leaders'.  Yes, we're DEEPLY in Desperation Mode now.

    "Rhode Island also has a Port Authority. Their ferry is popular but the federal grant that funded its launch in 2004 is about to run out."

    Yesss??  And this affects us... how?  I'm not sure the Quonset Point RI to Martha's Vineyard fast ferry has been in operation long enough to judge its success.  Considering that it, also, is a redundant service aimed at lazy drivers (90-minute crossing, 30-minute pre-boarding and it operates only from May to October - link) that may not be the best comparison to make.  But desperate times call for desperate analogies, I suppose.

      Where are the ferry terminals?
     
    In Martha's Vineyard: We do not have a ferry "terminal" located in Oak Bluffs, but we do have a company representative named "Richard" who is on the dock 60 minutes prior to each departure. (ed.  Hmm.  Are you imagining the same picture as I am?)  The ferry arrives and departs just inside the harbor of the Oak Bluffs Marina (where the Island Queen docks). Everything is within walking distance from our arrival location. (ed.  Hey... just like in Toronto!  A very brisk 30-minute walk.)

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